IFSC European Championships Moscow 2020 - Combined Finals

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ספורט

Combined: the culminating round of the IFSC European Championships Moscow 2020, in which athletes will compete for the final two European spots at the Olympic Games Tokyo 2020.
For more information and results, visit: www.ifsc-climbing.org/index.php/component/ifsc/?view=event&WetId=1166
About the IFSC:
The IFSC is an international non-governmental non-profit organization whose main objectives are the direction, regulation, promotion, development and furtherance of climbing competitions around the world.
About the channel:
On the IFSC channel you can follow the three Sport Climbing disciplines of Speed, Lead, and Bouldering. Follow livestreams, athlete interviews, and event highlights.
Website: www.ifsc-climbing.org/
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  1. tamir alizade official
    tamir alizade official
    4 ימים לפני

    יובלללל שמלאאאא

  2. Günter Albrecht
    Günter Albrecht
    5 ימים לפני

    That red hair lady is literally a spiderwoman.

  3. Mickie Vasquez
    Mickie Vasquez
    5 ימים לפני

    that Russian guy is a monster

  4. S Stacey
    S Stacey
    7 ימים לפני

    Hi from Margate in Kent England this is a wonderful entertaining sport there are no losers xx

  5. tommo184
    tommo184
    10 ימים לפני

    Great commentary by matt. It’s hard to keep it interesting talking to yourself, but he managed to keep it sounding conversational and engaging without a co-commentator. Good job!

  6. J.W-B.Y
    J.W-B.Y
    23 ימים לפני

    oui mais y avait presque personne, pas la France, pas l'Espagne, pas l'Autriche, pas l'Italie, bref, vraiment pas grand monde... FAUX championnat d'Europe

  7. Fonzleberry
    Fonzleberry
    25 ימים לפני

    Speed climbing is a different sport and should have nothing to do with lead boulder. One is a pure power/fast twitch based event. The other is climbing.

  8. fdpettersson
    fdpettersson
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    How could Rubtsov get the 35+ on lead? He barely touched the bottom of grip 36. Nowhere near using it, or even reaching the usable side of it! Compare with Bosi who had is hand on the grip but slipped off.

  9. Greg Ward
    Greg Ward
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    when was this? Hearing that "one of them will be winning a ticket to the Olympics" .... the ones that had been cancelled? Or are they replacing people that had already won spots to the cancelled Olympics cause that seems fair?

  10. epincion
    epincion
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    Thanks Matt and your guest commentators - that was perfect

  11. Ethan Anweiler
    Ethan Anweiler
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    No need to point out which climbers are Speed climbers Matt, its painfully obvious xD

  12. Anna Swan
    Anna Swan
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    I miss Charlie 😢

  13. Dmitriy Baginskiy
    Dmitriy Baginskiy
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    Camera work - +++!)

  14. Tim Dolinger
    Tim Dolinger
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    I adore the camerawork of the IFSC.

  15. Tupfennase
    Tupfennase
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    I can't understand why so many of you liked Matt as a commentator. I had to mute it almost constantly (I started that after the speed competitions and gave every discipine a shot at being watched with the commentary) because I couldn't stand the commentary. Most of the time simply describing what happened on the screen (more like you would do it for blind people) or 500 time explaining the combined system. Also, Matt mentioned at least twice, I think, that this is such a long event so that you get the feeling that he can't wait for it to be over. Not much Backgroundinformation on the climbers... it really sucked. Sorry.

  16. asioe kiou
    asioe kiou
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    Lol, the combined format is definitely far more exciting than the pure disciplines.

  17. Caleb Finley Bronson
    Caleb Finley Bronson
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    slow mo munch of chocolate @6:04:08 LOL

  18. spit0flip
    spit0flip
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    Combined is so dumb..... speed, boulder, and lead for 1 medal..... it's like 100m sprint, hurdles, and a marathon for 1 medal

  19. Google User
    Google User
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    Crazy to think how much time will be wasted on speed climbing before it inevitably gets removed from world champ events

    1. Nzd
      Nzd
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      It's going nowhere, but it will be split off from the other two disciplines for the 2024 Olympics, which will certainly benefit all involved.

  20. Roman K
    Roman K
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    странно почему медведей на велосипедах не было)

    1. asioe kiou
      asioe kiou
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      never enough to win but enough to give it a go...

  21. Roman K
    Roman K
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    fun moments with Marcin 4:30:17 and 6:52:55)) these guys just cosplaying the Black Eyed Peas 7:21:00 ))

  22. bocoy noiu
    bocoy noiu
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    Especially when that said athlete only takes fifth.

  23. w0ttheh3ll
    w0ttheh3ll
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    Lol, the combined format is definitely far more exciting than the pure disciplines.

  24. vbddfy euuyt
    vbddfy euuyt
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    Especially when that said athlete only takes fifth.

    1. vbddfy euuyt
      vbddfy euuyt
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      Thanks for sharing! ??????

  25. yokehuatgoh
    yokehuatgoh
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    the other day, i tried to do a pull-up... uurrrghhh... barely managed half a pull-up. lol

    1. vbddfy euuyt
      vbddfy euuyt
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      2:35:25 I can't stop watching this, so intense

  26. Rock girl
    Rock girl
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    The combined system is a joke. But if we must have it, at least don't include speed. Really good climbers cannot qualify because of it.

  27. Sindre Haugland
    Sindre Haugland
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    Watching speed climbers bouldering is like watching a shot putter running 10.000 m. Brutal.

    1. vbddfy euuyt
      vbddfy euuyt
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      Like to activate.

  28. ZubairMojaddedi
    ZubairMojaddedi
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    Amazing to see Aleksei smile so much alway knew he had it in him. Great event in Moscow, probally the most organized Championship event i have seen online (not including World Cup 😉, some of those look like amazing events also)

  29. sagaxus
    sagaxus
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    the commentator seems to lowkey put down their efforts seeing as he gives underhanded compliments and doubting if they'll make it, even though they make the next move right after and is silenced.

    1. Rock girl
      Rock girl
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      Qué onda?? El show de irse alegando que lo hagan pa callao adentro.

  30. sehhi vooty
    sehhi vooty
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    natural movement with her foot and clearly had no intention to make use of the bolt, nor got any use out of it. 5:43:31

    1. Kjanisse29
      Kjanisse29
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      she probably hought it was a hold or something, but you can tell there is some toe hooking there, she even looks down, realizes "oh shit thats an anchor", then releases it. but when she does she doesnt budge, so obviously wasnt using it to "cheat"

  31. S Muir
    S Muir
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    Love having Matt. he makes the commentary fun.

  32. Caleb Finley Bronson
    Caleb Finley Bronson
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    Gotta say, the number of times the camera guy zooms in on the foot for women's boulder 3... pretty sure we got it the first time.

  33. kolim jone
    kolim jone
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    Giggles adorably

    1. sehhi vooty
      sehhi vooty
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      Qué onda?? El show de irse alegando que lo hagan pa callao adentro.

  34. SpinTheFlo
    SpinTheFlo
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    One huge problem with the scoring system is that a good speed climber performing under normal conditions (no slip) can never ever get more than 64 points (1x8x8). That's never enough to win but enough to give it a go...

    1. w0ttheh3ll
      w0ttheh3ll
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      Rishat Khaibullin scored 40 and won the bronze medal in Hachioji 2019

  35. denzel gregoire
    denzel gregoire
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  36. Eric Davidson
    Eric Davidson
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    I finally had time to watch this glorious 7.5 hour beast of an event, totally worth it. First of all, what a wild ending for the men's! It sucks that Sascha won't get to compete in the Olympics, he definitely deserves to be there. I'm sure he will in the future though, the dude's only 22. On the other hand, nobody really deserves it more than Mr. Rubtsov. He's a veteran with a long and storied career, and I was worried he wouldn't be able to come back after his injury last year. The interviews were kind of hilarious, like you're taking these people who are in some of the most emotionally intense moments of their life, who are totally physically exhausted, and having them answer questions on camera in a foreign language. I do quite enjoy them, though. Anyways, it was an awesome event, loved it. Matt had some big shoes to fill, commentating these events has to be pretty tough, but Matt commentated this 7+ hour event extremely well. His unmatched psyche for climbing makes him a superb host. Plus he's (cheekily) a pretty good climber in his own right, and his beta knowledge is appreciated.

    1. kolim jone
      kolim jone
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      Is anyone gonna tell Matt Groom he laughed at Molly Thompson-Smith for holding her fist up in solidarity, presumably with BLM, in her introduction graphic before W2 boulder

  37. Pastišas
    Pastišas
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    what are the chances Russians knew boulder problems before everyone else? On M2 it is very clear that everyone used a different method than the Russians. Also some Russians even flashed it and knew that its best to kick left feet back on the dyno hold, even without looking as if they did this many times before

    1. Maya W
      Maya W
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      The route setting and judging team was international, so it's hard to see how that knowledge would be leaked only to the Russians just because the thing took place in Russia. There's just as much chance anyone else would get leaked the beta if anyone on the routesetting team is chums with an athlete.

    2. Lora Bielaga
      Lora Bielaga
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      They HAVE done it many times before, it’s their job. These are some of the best climbers in the world, and they are training specifically for movement like this. Obviously there’s no way to know for sure that they didn’t get an advantage, but it’s unlikely. And accusing athletes of cheating with zero proof completely takes away from all of the incredibly hard work they have put in to be as good as they are.

  38. eioshen boboi
    eioshen boboi
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    2:35:25 I can't stop watching this, so intense

  39. Maní King
    Maní King
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    Can anyone explain to me why Stasha gjeo was crying if she ended up 2nd?

    1. HertogHJ
      HertogHJ
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      The big prize was an Olympic ticket for the winner of this championship

  40. Serge K
    Serge K
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    Ведущиму в зале надо завязывать с мегафоном, что на этапе кубка мира в мегафон орали, что тут, это не митинг.

    1. eioshen boboi
      eioshen boboi
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      Trop bien ta video comme tjrs

  41. sam treknilk
    sam treknilk
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    what were the times for sasha and yuval? wierd they don't show up anywhere in the web...

    1. sam treknilk
      sam treknilk
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      ok saw it on the video now.. wow about 10sec.

  42. Johann Petrak
    Johann Petrak
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    That travesty that is speed "climbing" ruins those competitions.

  43. doliio volay
    doliio volay
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    Qué onda?? El show de irse alegando que lo hagan pa callao adentro.

  44. TryToTech78
    TryToTech78
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    Having to do this combined format to fit into the Olympics is just plain stupid. It's almost as if they would do a combined event for runners where they have to run 100m, 400m, 10.000m and a marathon with the results getting combined for one medal. This doesn't bring forth the best of the best but the best average, which sucks big time imo.

    1. Mark Mighwurds
      Mark Mighwurds
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      I agree. As several athletes have demonstrated, it's possible to be good (even great) at both lead and bouldering. Speed climbing just doesn't fit. It is, of course a perfectly valid sport in its own right, but it's a bit like making the best figure-skaters in the world also have to qualify in the 100m sprint. It's also rather heartbreaking watching the speed climbers throwing themselves gamely at blocs and routes they'll never be able to do.

    2. Google User
      Google User
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      @DrakeFire565 you're that dude that wonders why Usain Bolt isn't #1 in 100m sprint AND marathon running

    3. Google User
      Google User
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      @DrakeFire565 crazy that they haven't realised they should combine marathon and 100m sprint events to find the most well rounded athlete then

    4. w0ttheh3ll
      w0ttheh3ll
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      IFSC was only given one olympic gold medal to hand out (per sex), so they came up with this. and frankly it's very exciting to watch.

    5. ArtanisKizrath
      ArtanisKizrath
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      IOC only allowed one new sport for the upcoming Olympics and climbing was selected. IFSC decided to compromise and came up with a stupid combined format. Bouldering and Lead are very similar but speed is totally different. Yes, speed climbing involves grabbing and stepping on holds to make you go up but it's similar to putting sprinters in a mountain trail running race because it involves moving fast with their feet.

  45. Brendon West
    Brendon West
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    Mad respect to the whole event. And we get to see it all and for free. Thank you to everyone in the background all doing your thing to bring events like this to us. I really appreciate it. 👍👍

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    1. doliio volay
      doliio volay
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      4:38:30 if you are not in love you will fell in love in the next couple of seconds

  47. patricia muñoz quintero
    patricia muñoz quintero
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    Qué onda?? El show de irse alegando que lo hagan pa callao adentro.

  48. Carl
    Carl
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    the last girl to climb and top had a moment of happyness then yousee the minute her soul got destroyed ;s

  49. C. B.
    C. B.
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    Hi ! I need some explanation please : Isn't Russia excluded from the next Olympics ?? And about the speed, why is it 1 vs 1 and not like usual speed races, all against each other. I find it very unfair that way..

    1. Nzd
      Nzd
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      Yes, Russia is banned from competing in "major competitions" like the Olympics but its athletes will be allowed to compete under a neutral banner (name TBC) if they can prove they aren't associated with the doping scandal.

  50. Kelsey
    Kelsey
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    Is anyone gonna tell Matt Groom he laughed at Molly Thompson-Smith for holding her fist up in solidarity, presumably with BLM, in her introduction graphic before W2 boulder?

    1. Kelsey
      Kelsey
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      Are people in the climbing world really so ignorant of the current global anti-racism movement that they don't immediately recognize what she was doing?

  51. François Thomas
    François Thomas
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    If it wasn't for that bolt penalty, Chloe would've been 3rd overall.. Gutted for her, she seemed so done with it all at the end.

    1. Maya W
      Maya W
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      @w0ttheh3ll could have been the Germans. It gave the German the bronze medal.

    2. w0ttheh3ll
      w0ttheh3ll
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      bumping Chloe down momentarily improved Stasa's standing, so we can guess whose team made the appeal. frankly, touching bolts shouldn't be penalised so hard.

  52. Yishai White
    Yishai White
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    2:35:25 I can't stop watching this, so intense

  53. Jesper Ratzer
    Jesper Ratzer
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    The cup system in the speed part of final is really unfair when you think about it. The speed specialists risk knocking each other out early, and the best non-speed specialists risk getting knocked out early by the speed specialists. It makes no sense to have a cup system in one discipline, and then "an all vs all" in the two other. In racketlon (combined racket sport consisting of table tennis, badminton, squash and tennis), the scoring systems of all 4 racket sports are abandoned, and every sport is played to 21 points. That makes sense!

    1. w0ttheh3ll
      w0ttheh3ll
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      true, they should consider ranking the speed after the atheletes' best times

  54. Impera Designs
    Impera Designs
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    The "social distancing" in the crowd is comical.

  55. bilishu aliss
    bilishu aliss
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    climbing.

  56. Bastian Dietrich
    Bastian Dietrich
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    "Maybe you have to pull down your pants a little bit." - Jernej Kruder

  57. stupid_sleazoid 2
    stupid_sleazoid 2
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    I think this whole combined system should be thrown away. The fact that performance of athlete climbing the last decides outcome of first and second placement is just wrong. Especially when that said athlete only takes fifth.

    1. stupid_sleazoid 2
      stupid_sleazoid 2
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      @Maya W Well, may be we'll get used to this sudden shuffles in the future and it won't be so heartbreaking, but so far it feels terribly wrong. And as someone said in other comment - it opens possibility for plotting (is it correct word here?). Someone who is friend of Sacha and has almost no skin in the game (5th or 8th place, no one cares) could intentionally fall earlier to put him on first place.

    2. Maya W
      Maya W
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      That's just perception. If he had climbed before Sascha, then Sascha would have never been first at all. It's just coincidence - but it feels worse this time because of how heartbreaking it was for him.

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    1. bilishu aliss
      bilishu aliss
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  59. Matthew Beer
    Matthew Beer
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    I just want to say that Matt did an excellent job of commentating. He has a good balance of "climber geek" appeal, along with doing some nice educating to bring newer folks up to speed, and a little personal/emotional realness. Really good stuff. I hope he sticks around for these competitions in the future.

    1. SpinTheFlo
      SpinTheFlo
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      He has potential but needs to find his stride and also hold his breath more when he finds nothing to comment on

    2. Piero Cus
      Piero Cus
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      Much much better than Charlie. I never enjoyed his commentary in all these past years to be honest

  60. Nina Moor
    Nina Moor
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    Виктория - победительница! Боролась до последнего. Молодчина. Достойная победа.

  61. Andrew M
    Andrew M
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    my god watching speed climbers try to boulder or lead is brutal. The olympics are going to suck

    1. Cody Southerland
      Cody Southerland
      6 ימים לפני

      It’s still wild to me that it’s scored with equal weight to bouldering and lead in combined comps

    2. epincion
      epincion
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      Fortunately the Olympic format is not set in stone since in 2021(Tokyo) and 2024 (Paris) the sport is considered a 'candidate sport' to allow for changes. There already is some talk that in Paris speed will be separated out. I agree its utterly ridiculous that the best speed climbers basically will never get near an Olympic games because they suck at boulder and lead. Speed in my mind fits in more with the Extreme Games/Gladiator sport world.

    3. w0ttheh3ll
      w0ttheh3ll
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      they'll be training hard to not suck quite so badly at boulder and speed, though. the covid delay gives them more time to do so.

    4. Maya W
      Maya W
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      @Kard Nails Yes, a few got through. Maybe three or four.

    5. Kard Nails
      Kard Nails
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      Are any speed climbers going to the olympics anyway?

  62. Милена Стин
    Милена Стин
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    ничего не понятно, почему у Хлои было 30, а стало 21 в последней дисциплине и соответственно 5 место вместо 3 по итогу?

    1. 8wichi
      8wichi
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      Она задела левой ногой шлямбур на уровне 21 зацепы, как бы сделав подхват носком. Не знаю насколько ей это помогло и помогло ли вообще, но увы правила🤷🏻‍♀️ (на 5:43:34 видно)

  63. Bob Kelly
    Bob Kelly
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    Denied 6:52:55

  64. Plisi K
    Plisi K
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    People like (6:42:17) this are the reason why we cannot have events with crowd in most countries at the moment. This is just extremely selfish behaviour.

    1. Google User
      Google User
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      Yeah if only everyone acted like robots instead of human beings

  65. Nzd
    Nzd
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    What a great week, I've missed watching these comps so much! Any number of the climbers would have been worthy winners, but congratulations to Alexey and Viktoria. It's a shame (for them) that they won't be allowed to represent their country at the Olympics.

  66. Ben Nordstrom
    Ben Nordstrom
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    Thanks for the live stream! Too bad combined format is such garbage. Congratulations to the competitors.

    1. Nzd
      Nzd
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      @Google User There's only one Olympic medal available for climbing. Without a combined format, it would have gone to speed and we'd have had no bouldering or lead. Would you rather have that? This constant moaning is as fruitless as it is tedious.

    2. Google User
      Google User
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      @Nzd seems like 99% of people don't agree with you, crazy to think about that

    3. Nzd
      Nzd
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      Get over it.

  67. Eric Connor
    Eric Connor
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    everyone has gotten so good at speed climbing. 4:09:20 myy god. His beta is sick. so sad he didnt top it. Those last few Men's lead red points....that's almost speed climbing. A bit upsetting that such an important olympic seat came down to time. oh man, poor Staja and Sasha. Congratz to Alexei. Never heard of the female winner though.

  68. pida siouy
    pida siouy
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    2 announcers or 1 and a guess is always better imo.

  69. A W
    A W
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    Congrats to the routesetters, very interesting Routes and Boulder Problems (f*** Speed)

  70. T PA
    T PA
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    2 announcers or 1 and a guess is always better imo.

  71. cheznikos
    cheznikos
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    Wow, very happy for Alexey but man so sad for sacha. Can't think of a more horrible way to miss the one spot. Pretty nasty of route setters to let this be decided on time. That's not climbing.

    1. On my way to 8a
      On my way to 8a
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      Rubtsov is not going to the Olympics sor Sascha is getting his place.

    2. pida siouy
      pida siouy
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      table.

  72. Patrick Seipt
    Patrick Seipt
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    Dont they have to clean the lead route after Viktoria bleed on some holds? in Boulder u are not allowed to climb with bloody fingers and holds get cleaned

  73. Lukas4182
    Lukas4182
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    Can anyone explain to me how luzhetskii ranked 2nd in speed with almost the worst time? Look at 1:20:30

    1. Johannes Roth
      Johannes Roth
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      The times in the table are the times in the last run. He lost the final with almost the worst time but thus is in second place, he won all other rounds (being quicker as well). The time is not what divides the table, it's the individual head to heads (and yes, speed climbing rules are confusing, sometimes fastest time, sometimes just head to head counts)

  74. Karim Chahine
    Karim Chahine
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    Something is wrong, in principle, with this scoring system. Climber's A position relative to climber B should not depend on what other athletes do. I understand that it's simpler to use the position in each discipline to make the final leaderboard but it's absurd that Sascha could have been consider better than Aleksej had the last competitor slipped or something

    1. w0ttheh3ll
      w0ttheh3ll
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      @Karim Chahine oh, I get it now. you're right.

    2. Karim Chahine
      Karim Chahine
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      @w0ttheh3ll I don't see what you mean. If absolute points are given to athletes then the relative position of any two climbers wouldn't depend on the position of the other ones. This way the final score wouldn't depend on the ranking in each discipline. With absolute points I mean something like "topping 3 boulder with 4 attempts will give you X points" ecc..

    3. w0ttheh3ll
      w0ttheh3ll
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      @Karim Chahine This alternative you're proposing would still have the same characteristic that you're compaining about. If climber A is bumped down in one discipline by climber B the overall standing can still change for the benefit of climber C. it's hard to see how that could be avoided.

    4. Yann Ponty
      Yann Ponty
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      ​@Maya W Just when I thought I was the only freak out there thinking of the multiplicative system as a sum of logs, and thus an additive one with non-linear rankings... :)

    5. Maya W
      Maya W
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      You do need to remember that the moment would have *felt* a lot less heartbreaking if Yuval hadn't come last. It's only a coincidence that he climbed right after Sascha and a second faster or however much it was. Had Yuval climbed first, Sascha would have never been in the lead and seen it taken away like that. This way it felt a lot more unfair, somehow.

  75. Himbeersirup
    Himbeersirup
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    I must say that I already miss Charlie Boscoe. While Matt isn't bad, on his own he doesn't seem to have much to say. There are long pauses in the commentary, and most of what he did say was commenting the chat, greeting people, talking about breakfast, and other irrelevant topics. He gave almost no information on the climbers, and he didn't really comment on the performance of the athletes beyond what we could see for ourselves ("His foot slipped.").

    1. Eric Davidson
      Eric Davidson
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      Charlie was excellent, but I think Matt did really well for his first event. It has to be extremely difficult to solo-commentate a 7+ hour competition.

  76. lastxwords12345
    lastxwords12345
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    If you have the same score in bouldering they don't look at the time. You're both 1st. If you have the same score in lead it's suddenly a speed competition. This format is so unfair. Also the speed winner is most of the time so sad to watch the struggles in boulder and lead. If you start in the speed round against the speed specialist, the best you can do is the 5th place! Why not looking at the fastest time? Hurdurdurr xD

    1. lastxwords12345
      lastxwords12345
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      @Nzd oh that's much better!

    2. A W
      A W
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      @Nzd ok, I thought it’s only combined

    3. Nzd
      Nzd
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      @A W No, the 2024 Olympics will have two medals on offer for climbing. Speed will be on its own, and there'll be a combined format for Lead and Bouldering. This has been pretty much confirmed now.

    4. Maya W
      Maya W
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      Yeah, I imagine the racing aspect in the speed discipline is just because it's more 'spectacular'. Since the IOC only wanted speed climbing to be in the Olympics originally, I assume this was the only way to convince them. And I agree, speed on the lead wall shouldn't matter beyond climbing it within the six minutes. I would almost argue that benefits boulderers over 'classic' lead climbers, who climb slow but pace themselves and regain lots from resting.

    5. A W
      A W
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      Agreed but I think the reason for this is Olympia that only offers combined. So every climber tries to go to Olympia. Next Olympia will have 4 climbing disciplines : Lead, Speed, Bouldering and combined, I think and hope

  77. Prusik Mallorca
    Prusik Mallorca
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    Awesome!!! huge congrats to the winners and to Sascha Lehmann (great sportsmanship)

  78. Christian Wirawan
    Christian Wirawan
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    Amazing finals

  79. Ben Dover
    Ben Dover
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    Every time I watch one of these combined formats it just reminds me how useless speed climbing is as a sport/how terrible most speed climbers are at real climbing

    1. IT-O
      IT-O
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      I dont see speedrun of Mario as olympic discipline, why should speed climbing?

    2. Nzd
      Nzd
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      Yawn

  80. 난닥훈
    난닥훈
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    5:53:23 this is blood???

    1. Joseto
      Joseto
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      Yes

  81. Cyberdactyl
    Cyberdactyl
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    The camera crew is absolutely HORRIBLE for the woman's bouldering event! 03:10:18

    1. RadialSymmetry00
      RadialSymmetry00
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      I wondered why a tiny slippy foot hold was highlighted again and again, one shot is enough.

    2. Cyberdactyl
      Cyberdactyl
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      @Himbeersirup Nah, if Chloe's fall was available it would have been included in the final production. It was simply not captured by the camera crew. The guy's running the cameras did not coordinate at all as well as way too much ultra closeups of toes or fingers or jewelry. 02:29:25

    3. Himbeersirup
      Himbeersirup
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      It's not the camera crew. The actual filming if fine, and the camera crew provide great shots. I especially love the close ups and the view from the top of the route down. What is horrible is how the technical director / vision mixer - that is, the person who switches between the different video sources and "cuts" the final stream - jumps from one camera angle to another in a way that makes it impossible for viewers to make sense of the climbing.

  82. Secret !
    Secret !
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    The bolsheviks are at it again.

  83. Msdubs007
    Msdubs007
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    Suspect route setting yet again at least they kept it consistent all week. The most disappointing week of comp climbing in recent history. How many times can you undercook a route? Apparently quite a few times.

  84. Cyberdactyl
    Cyberdactyl
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    The "social distancing" in the crowd is comical.

    1. Neura Link
      Neura Link
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      As the idea about social distancing as well

    2. SpinTheFlo
      SpinTheFlo
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      Haven't you heard Alexey? "Moscow is almost save " ;-)

    3. Cyberdactyl
      Cyberdactyl
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      @Gundro A I'm talking about the joke of separating the crowd by one chair. That might offer a 10% reduction of COVID transfer over sitting directly next to someone.

    4. Gundro A
      Gundro A
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      If they are families or people that live together then there is no need to distance

  85. ecksdee
    ecksdee
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    Iwa Kakeru

    1. Nifi
      Nifi
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      Oh damn, you've watched that too? Nice👌

  86. vitarlaeda
    vitarlaeda
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    People keep saying that Rubtsov won with help of Yuval, but it's just a perception. If Yuval would have climbed ahead of Sasha than Sasha would have never been on top of the table.

    1. Herman Claeys
      Herman Claeys
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      The leadspeedclimbing is a joke and made time decide...

    2. vitarlaeda
      vitarlaeda
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      Additional point: They got adjacent places in speed and Rubtsov's expected win in bouldering: 1 vs 3 (or 1 top more) is slightly stronger than Sasha's expected win in lead: 2 vs 4 (or 1 move more).

  87. Peter Mozuraitis
    Peter Mozuraitis
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    2:46:05 A wild Adam Driver in a disguise appears

    1. Krueppel Muecke
      Krueppel Muecke
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      I thought exactly the same xD

  88. Juan _Cvll
    Juan _Cvll
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    In my opinion multiplying scores system isn´t fair. It benefits the athletes that get the first position in one discipline but aren´t that good in the two others. In order to find the most skilled climber in the combined format, they should sum up their score, not multiply it. Because that way, you really reward the most complete athlete. With the actual format, you reward athletes that are brilliant in one discipline and just average in the others. Again, just my opinion :)

    1. Maya W
      Maya W
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      I agree this system is bad, but summing just does not work either. Too many ties, and as indicated, someone who comes third in everything would still win from someone who comes first, first and eighth. That doesn't make sense from a viewer's perspective - if someone dominates two disciplines, you expect them to win. They need some sort of logarithmic system for it to be fair, but I guess the IOC would argue it's too difficult for the audience to understand.

    2. Дмитрий Бабий
      Дмитрий Бабий
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      @Juan _Cvll combined discipline is not fair at all, but product allows to see top specialists, as for me it is much better than competition for average climbers.

    3. Alexander Rybalkin
      Alexander Rybalkin
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      ​@Juan _Cvll Lol. Sum rule produces a lot of ties. Just for interest try to recalculate qualification round using sum. As result most of ranking will be done by additional parameters. And I bet that "sum fans" will be first who starts whining that it's unfair

    4. Juan _Cvll
      Juan _Cvll
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      @Maksim Zhelnin First of all, they are only 8 in the final. And, yes, for me that's fair. No matter how good you are in two disciplines if in the other one you are very bad. A combined champion has to be good in the three of them. With the multiplying way, you let athletes focus on their favourite discipline and "forget a bit" about the others. With the sums, you force every athlete to improve and work out their weaknesses

    5. Maksim Zhelnin
      Maksim Zhelnin
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      1+1+10 = 4+4+4??? That's not fair

  89. Sergio T
    Sergio T
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    What an event! What a final. This had it all!

    1. Herman Claeys
      Herman Claeys
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      Are you serious? What about the leadspeedclimbing in the combined? A new discipline has been invented.... So sad...

  90. ICKYMACK
    ICKYMACK
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    the weird little "out of time" whistle in the bouldering round is so ridiculous

  91. Nick Kerpan
    Nick Kerpan
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    A delight hearing Matt Groom doing commentary!

    1. a b
      a b
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      agreed, he makes it enjoyable even for non-climbers

  92. Levente Salma
    Levente Salma
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    If anyone ever climbed an onsight knows that Segei Lutzhetski's lead climb doesn't look like one

  93. cheznikos
    cheznikos
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    Kruder saved the commenting for men boulders. Guess Matt is fine but only in cooperation with someone who has a clue.

    1. cheznikos
      cheznikos
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      @Matthew Beer if you're a beginner and don't understand much to begin with I could see that.

    2. Matthew Beer
      Matthew Beer
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      That's funny. I feel just the opposite.

  94. Sergei Nemtsov
    Sergei Nemtsov
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    IT WAS LEGENDARY

  95. Albert Abuzarov
    Albert Abuzarov
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    To hold international competitions in Russia in 2020 is similar to holding Olympics in Germany in 1939

    1. Albert Abuzarov
      Albert Abuzarov
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      @IT-O yes, believe or not, I'm comparing modern Russia to nazi Germany. Because these regimes are very similar. Just one little example: both in Nazi Germany and in Russia gays were persecuted by the state, tortured and executed. And no, I'm not saying sport is bad. I'm just saying it's the same thing as holding Olympics in Nazi Germany, that's all. Sport was "uniting and beautiful" back then, and it's still "uniting and beautiful". Yes, sport is uniting, peaceful, etc.,etc, all that crap. But all these beautiful things about sport were not helping jews in Nazi Germany. And they are not helping people who are being tortured or murdered in Russia. You can spray inspiring speaches about the beaty and uniting power of sport all day long, it's not gonna change a bit the way people are treated in Russia.

    2. IT-O
      IT-O
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      Comparing Russia to nazi Germany? Whats exactly type of commentary that divide people and set them against each other. Sport is about pretty much opposite.

    3. Albert Abuzarov
      Albert Abuzarov
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      @vitarlaeda it's not about liking or disliking the idea in this case. I'm totally ok that some people like stuff that I don't like. In this case it's morally wrong. Like I said before, it's similar to holding Olympics in Nazi Germany

    4. vitarlaeda
      vitarlaeda
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      @Albert Abuzarov So you don't like an idea of competitions. But there are people who enjoy comps a lot. I think it's great that those people compete when and where they decide to while you climb as you wish.

    5. Albert Abuzarov
      Albert Abuzarov
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      @AEG the fact that you are trying to insult me without knowing me says a lot about you. As for the beauty of the sport - mate, I've been climbing for a long time and I appreciate the beauty of the sport. But I don't see much beauty in flags, anthems, medals and other "we're better than you" attributes of professional international comps. National pride has nothing to do with the beauty, in my opinion.

  96. Klara
    Klara
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    Almost started crying for Stasa, have a lot of problems with the multiplied scoring (as the two last climbers would have changed the overall winners if they finished 1st in lead), but seeing how Viktoriia finished 4 placements ahead in lead, I don't think there's any fair counting system that wouldn't make her the winner of this comp. Still, very strange situation and personally I think adding scores would be preferable.

    1. stupid_sleazoid 2
      stupid_sleazoid 2
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      has anybody thought about.... adding squared scores? With scores being zero-based??? Honestly, you just can't measure combined score of such different disciplines. Also screw the olympics.

    2. Karim Chahine
      Karim Chahine
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      Any system based on the position in each discipline will be flawed because the overall position relative to some other climber will depend on the performance of all the other climbers

    3. Maya W
      Maya W
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      Adding doesn't work either though. Imagine, someone who would win boulder and lead but unluckily come eight in speed would still lose to someone who would come 3rd in all three disciplines (or 2nd, 3rd, 4th, or 2nd, 2nd, 5th, etc). That doesn't seem any more fair. The multiplication makes coming first weigh slightly heavier, which seems kinda reasonable. But yeah, so upsetting for Sascha that he had the win in hand and loses it because the last climber tops two seconds faster than him...

  97. R
    R
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    Why was Caulier scored 21+ on the lead when she got 30+? With that she will be 4th instead of 7th on the lead final, and she will be bronze medal with a score of 40 over Adamovska's 64. Was there any penalty for Caulier?

    1. Alexander Rybalkin
      Alexander Rybalkin
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      @Maya W Rule is ok. But why the f... there are unused bolts on the wall?? Even on our local competitions in the middle of nowhere organizers doesn't allow themselves such crap

    2. Maya W
      Maya W
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      @R I mean, it was clearly unintentional and I don't think she even noticed until she looked down. It's a very tenuous rule. I hope they do something about it for the Olympics.

    3. R
      R
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      @Maya W Thank you! I watched back her whole performance and didn't notice that "toe hook".

    4. Maya W
      Maya W
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      supposedly touched a bolt and had her score downgraded to the hold she was touching while her foot was near the bolt. 5:43:31

  98. Balazs Villanyi
    Balazs Villanyi
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    The combined system is a joke. But if we must have it, at least don't include speed. Really good climbers cannot qualify because of it.

    1. Google User
      Google User
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      @SpinTheFlo yeah maybe the Olympics has has its day

    2. SpinTheFlo
      SpinTheFlo
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      @Maya W that's the problem. Not managing any boulder should be punished more but the scoring system doesn't allow iz

    3. SpinTheFlo
      SpinTheFlo
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      @Maya W thanks for that insight. It still remains a tragedy that such an old sport as sport climbing has to beg for being at the Olympics... Considering all the cringe sport disciplines that made it.

    4. Balazs Villanyi
      Balazs Villanyi
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      @Maya W Tomoa is one of the very few who can do it all. I guess because of his dynamic style. That's not smthg usual

    5. Maya W
      Maya W
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      @Balazs Villanyi Have you ever seen Tomoa Narasaki go? He has the potential to be top 3 in all disciplines. Combined is a fairly new discipline, as time progresses levels will even out more and some people will become 'combined specialists'. The one thing I find a bit embarrassing at the moment is the lonely speed climber who always ends up in a final and then can't get off the ground on any boulders and falls off at the second lead draw. It must suck for them - and it will be a bit difficult to explain to Olympics viewers how they ended up with an Olympic ticket...

  99. Bossut Cyprien
    Bossut Cyprien
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    Routesetter’s fault..

    1. Yizchak Mostert
      Yizchak Mostert
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      They did a great job. Thoroughly enjoyed it

  100. sumi
    sumi
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    Oh wow, that men's lead was kinda crazy. And I'm kinda heartbroken for overall #2 (so darn close!) but so happy for #1 as well, argh

    1. Gannon Reynolds
      Gannon Reynolds
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      I appreciate the work around spoilers! I saw a top comment when I opened the vid and ruined it for myself

    2. A W
      A W
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      You mean Sascha Lehmann? Yeah, that was very hard for him. For a couple of minutes he certainly expected to win that Olympia Qualifier. I just think that this Russian Climber (who won) has only that chance left to go to Olympia and he equally deserves to go there.